dear googol,

Thanks for taking the things in the right direction...

People know how operations research and optmization techniques helped western countries to improve efficiencies in the last century.

And this is no different than using OR to arrive at a better solution.

This can be( have to be) reviewed from many angles.

1)Neccessity (regarding the available options)

2)Commercial viability( and affordability- one cant suggest a person who cant afford a municipal tap to go for packaged drinking water )

3)Strategic perspective( Pls remember that every year US president has to certify that India is acting in accordance with the priorities of US agenda on international arena)

4)Environmental risks( to the surroundings during the life time and waste management after the life time. In US , states are unwilling to accomodate the nuclear waste)

5)Much hyped R&D and technology( End users,the shop floors or the assembly lines are different from R&D)

If i have to explain it in terms of a lay man\\`s words

Power stations will be like our desktops and laptops with use microsoft\\`s produtcs.

Companies like BHEL and L&T if permitted for transfor of technology will be like those who assemble the desktop and laptop systems.

Companies like GEs are like Microsoft, Sun micro systems and Oracles.

And last but not the least, the technology that is going to be given is obsolete and the shopfloors of those international giants which supply the equipment for nuclear power stations were shut long back b\\`coz the world over, policy makers realized the headaches like waste management and exhorbitant prices and availability of other better options.And the value of those shopfloors might have been written off on the books of those companies.

6)Employment-That kind of huge amount, when spent will anyways generate jobs in any field. In reality if it is spent on the much needed infrastructural facilities like better utlization of huge untapped water resources for urban and industrial purposes( it is the need of the hour and the entire Indian Urban space is going to face severe water crisis in the days to come when some parts of the country are flooded with excess water and we dont have the money to handle those immediate problems).

Or spending on facilities like better sevage will have more long term impact and they are also the need of the hour.

And the list of immediate needs that i mentioned are not at all exhaustive.

Regarding Manmohan Singh and Abdul kalam we can discuss at a later point of time.

regards...

dear gv,

I am trying to bring cohessiveness to the discussion?

regards...

dear pkjatt,

You are right we need a healthy nation... i fully agree.. but i fail to understand

1) How can 5% of nuclear power( of the total expected power generation after 15 to 20 years) can give energy security?

2) How can it ruduce the carbon footprints( as widely publicized) when it is going to be a mere 5% fo the total expected production?

3) How 5% of nuclear power can be called as substitute?

4) If one is really worried about the carbon emissions, why not one is discouraging the pvt transportation in the country?

While European countries, Japan and singapore severely discourage pvt vehicles with heavy toll and encourage public transportation why are we moving in the opposite direction by reducing taxes on 4 wheelers and systematically destroying public transportation?

While people in those countries with many times per capita income compared to India are discouraged from the usage of pvt transportation, do you think a country like India can afford pvt transportation and offering tax incentives to projects like Nano and still sustain deveopment?

US is having less density of population and huge natural resrouces and its an exception from the rest of the world as far as the public transportation is concerned and a country like India can never afford such methodologies.

The world over transportation experts suggest that public transportation as an affordable and sustainable option for the urban populace and is environmentally affordable option.

India needs 1.5 lakh crores in terms of INR to construct metro net works in the top six cities.

Which if done, can derail more than one crore personal vehicles from those cities and helps in reducing carbon emissions by great extent and helps in reducing the dependency on crude imports.

On the other hand, if 15000 MW of power generation is achieved through nuclear power, at 80% of PLF( plant load factor), the total number of units in terms of KWH s will be 106 billion units.

For each unit(KWH) of power produced, the cost at the user level would be higher by Rs.13/- compared to any conventional method of power production.

That results in a staggering amount of 1.4 lakhs( approximate) per year.Pls remember that just with one year operational excesses of 15000 of MW of nuclear power( with out taking in to account the installation costs and dismantling costs of nuclear power plants), top 6 Indian cities can have international standard public transportation facilities and can have a great impact carbon emissions and environment.

Do you know that answer why the Indian govt is not doing it and doing its best to delay these projects?

Do you know why media is not high lighting these issues?

regards...

dear gv,

Naptha is prohibitively expensive for a country like India.That is why some of the gas based power plants which were ready for commisioning and waiting for gas from RIL\\`s KG basin project are non operating though Naptha could be used an interim option.

Power distribution companies are not in a position to bear those expenses.

So Naptha is being used very sparingly as a temporary option.

However Naptha is cheaper than nuclear power.

regards



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Dr.no,

Apprehensions are different from proven facts.What ever details you want, i can come with enough clarity.I have been looking at these things for a very long time.

regards...

dear arg,

I didnt mean to say US will entertain conflicts in their homeland.They do it else where in the world...

If what i remember is correct, i did see some very good msg of you on Geetha a couple of days back in a different thread.It was really good..

regards...

dear sridharan sir,

You are right and the divide and rule policy is still being adapted albeit in a differnt way.Now that is being adapted internally in the country and not in between India and Pakistan.

And regarding issues like Osama, US criticizing Pak for transferring nuclear technology etc.. there is more than what one can see in these issues.Will try to discuss those things seperately if i get the opportunity..

regards...

0811 Dear novice1000, Like any other issue in India this issue of Npower is also discussed on emotional grounds by many who have no technical knowledge on this subject. From MMB many may support it as it is seemingly acting as a big hinderance for market to rise.Now we feel that index can zoom. Two Indians I respect namely M/s Abdul Kalaam and Manmohan are supporting this.But there are many questions like what you have posed left unanswered. Take for instance the Sethu Samudram Project.There is not even a DPR for this but it has taken a communal tone.Not even one shipping co has committed to take this route for their ships.But still the CM of TN is hell bent on implementing.Everyone knows the reason.But none open the topic. I was surprised to see the ovewhelming support in the opinion poll here.Perhaps a few of them who have supported may come forward to answer all (y)our doubts Regards,...

Dear Novice, When i was saying Fossil fuel in my message Why you are assuming oil only? There a few other points i referred on cost vs need you did not say any thing Is it convenient memory? Regds ...

Dear Novice, What about use of Naptha? Why Only GMR using oil?Others are better? What about natural gas?is it not used? Pls read my message i have said fossil fuel If you can give me more info i will welcome and learn Regds GV...

Hi, The below figures are from BSE site and it shows that FII sold worth Rs 68,331.71 and DII bot Rs 48,469.00....which is seen in last 2 lines.....if still have any doubts visit bseindia site... Investor Categorywise Turnover FII & DII Turnover (BSE + NSE)in crores... FII DII Trade Date Buy Sales Net Buy Sales Net 2/9/08 2,799.13 1,666.88 1,132.25 1,350.50 1,140.71 209.79 1/9/08 1,299.92 1,541.77 -241.85 532.82 450.20 82.62 29/8/08 2,598.50 2,963.11 -364.61 975.75 694.68 281.07 Sep, 08 4,099.05 3,208.64 890.41 1,883.33 1,590.91 292.42 Since 1/1/08 * 520,152.81 588,484.52 -68,331.71 206,911.14 158,441.69 48,469.45 ...

Well I don\\`t know how to go in deep detail numbers but I m sure our prime minister knows whats better for the country...... If I am not not mistaken it was him as finance minister who opened the duties on gold when it was trading close to 300 usd...... n look where we are today.... I m sure he can think.... look we are importing problems anyways.....we are pumping enough carbon in air which will cause health problems ..... n cost of that alone may exceed this nuke waste... so a price has to b paid one way or the other...... its better to have a healthy nation than a sick one........+ what we achieve today ( wavier )will stay with us for ever we can always change our mind depending on nuke power........ for now I think its a good deal..............

For the time being as far as LT is concerned, one has to be very stock and sector specific. LT investors will be getting excellent opportunities in the market in the months to come. regards ...

novice, i dont understand, would you like to be more explicit on what you base your prediction can you substantiate your apprehensions??... i am in total agreement with GV... nothing better could have happened for our country... we are on the threshold of a new era in the history of our country.. thats how i look at it.. its not just energy supply and alternative energy requirements, but on the whole... to get to a developed nation status we needed theis treated this treaty to go through.. it may take time for it to bear fruit, but nonetheless the benefits will be there for our children to reap.. \regards...