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Thats what I was exactly trying to say.
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RBI to pump in Rs 20,000 cr to help MFs
October 14, 2008 11:27 IST
The Reserve Bank on Tuesday decided to inject Rs 20,000 crore (Rs 200 billion) through short-term lending route to help the mutual funds meet their liquidity needs and overcome redemption pressure.
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Expecting some comments at least this time....
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Now only domestic funds to support the market.
Posted by :
shareviews
What I said a few days back is happening 
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What I said a few days back is happening ...
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Now only domestic funds to support the market.
Posted by : shareviews
FIIs already said farewell to Indian markets and not likely to return in the near future. Domestic funds too insufficient to hold the market at this stage and may see more correction in the coming days. It is is the best time for the MFs and Individual investors to grab control of our market, which was so far in the hands of FIIs. Eventhough a lot of money is in our hands to invest, every one is scared to enter the market. Recovery to start from local fund support and investors should need some strong inspiration from the Government; ie; some kind of confidence building measures.
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Metal shares took pounding when market was rising. Steel prices are expected to soften. China`s demand for steel has come down drastically, So sesa goa is hit. Tata Steel slid by 50% in a two months time. Sail looks distinctly weak.Sterlite is light weight.
Further weakness is possible. All biggies have corrected by 65% from top....
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Hi Xavier,
Your queries are basic, but they are the most basic points any one want to know. That includes me.
I am not that knowledgeable to reply in detail. Below is just my comments/reply to the post.
As I have seen, only Kalidas ji can answer the queries in full detail. May be some other boarders also knowledgeable, but no one substantiates the message the way Kalidas ji will do.
-Q-
If what you say is true then from where are they givig billions of dollars (printing or ??)
-UQ-
Yes, from printing
-Q-
If this money was in existence then how did the liquidity crisis arise in the first place ?
Why are so many countries now guranting thier bank deposits which they were not earlier ?
-UQ-
This money($700 billion) is existent (on the way), but NOT the trillions that disappeared into black hole.
-Q-
Also why was the gold standard abolished for printing money? What has replaced that standard ? How do I trust the paper in your hand ?
-UQ-
That much of physical gold (based on CMP), to keep pace with amount of currency printed, is simply not there. In that sense gold price should at least be 2, 3 times higher than the current market price. Don`t know why gold is so cheap (comparatively).
I don`t think there is any standard now. May be only Kalidas ji can explain.
-Q-
What are super inflationary countries like zimbabwe or Afghanistan doing - why is their money not worth anything ?
-UQ-
May be time has come to add Iceland and few other countries to the list. (USA could be like Zimbabwe, down the line.. say 50 years, IF THEY KEEP ON printing and printing the currency)
-Q-
Who reallys monitors the currency printing presses globally ?
-UQ-
No one monitors (read as no one controls). It is up to the individual country to decide based on their economy and trade deficit/fiscal deficit.
Regards,
Sri...
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Why Lehman Failed & others didn`t . P-II
Posted by :
XD
Hi Sri
If what you say is true then from where are they givig billions of dollars (printing or ??) If this money was in existence then how did the liquidity crisis arise in the first place ? Why are so many countries now guranting thier bank deposits which they were not earlier ? Also why was the gold standard abolished for printing money? What has replaced that standard ? How do I trust the paper in your hand ? What are super inflationary countries like zimbabwe or Afghanistan doing - why is their money not worth anything ? Who reallys monitors the currency printing presses globally ?
Some querries may seem very basic, but all the same your replies are most welcome ?
Xavier
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Well said and nice message indeed. Thanks....
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by :
novice1000
dear BSR,
Good you changed your stance finally when you said `Genuine LT investors who have done HOMEWORK will get enough TIME for BUYing! Market is not going to go UP in HURRY `.
You are 100% right.
This is what i have been telling people since July 2008.
Markets dont need to tell us before they go for another bull run.But the macro fundamentals will always give a very clear picture about the LT investment.
Modern management( read as American management) theories tought about optimism.
But forgot to teach the difference between pragmatism and pessimism.
It is the machines which use crisp logic for any kind of question.But in reality crisp logic fails.If i have to give an example..
q)Is it very hot?
ans)NO
That NO doesnt necessarily indicate `very cold`.
It might just mean any of the below
1)Moderate Hot
2)Neither hot nor cold.
3)Moderate cold.
4)very cold.
In this kind of situations, crisp logic fails.This finally lead fuzzy logic which implements better and intelligent algorithms so that the machine which runs on crisp logic arrives at a better and realistic conclusion which will be more closer to the real answer.
However human brains are naturally capable of performing fuzzy thinking which makes them more efficient than machine.
Surprisingly the same human beings who introduced fuzzy thinking in to machines with the help of complex algorithms started neglecting their ability to use that fuzzy logic in their day to day scenarios.
If something is not optimistism,it doesnt need to be pessimism either , b`coz there is something called pragmatism between optimism and pessimism.
regards
dear BSR,
Good you changed your stance finally when you said `Genuine LT investors who have done HOMEWORK will get enough TIME for BUYing! Market is not going to go UP in HURRY `.
You are 100% right.
This is what i have been telling people since July 2008.
Markets dont need to tell us before they go for another bull run.But the macro fundamentals will always give a very clear picture about the LT investment.
Modern management( read as American management) theories tought about optimism.
But forgot to teach the difference between pragmatism and pessimism.
It is the machines which use crisp logic for any kind of question.But in reality crisp logic fails.If i have to give an example..
q)Is it very hot?
ans)NO
That NO doesnt necessarily indicate `very cold`.
It might just mean any of the below
1)Moderate Hot
2)Neither hot nor cold.
3)Moderate cold.
4)very cold.
In this kind of situations, crisp logic fails.This finally lead fuzzy logic which implements better and intelligent algorithms so that the machine which runs on crisp logic arrives at a better and realistic conclusion which will be more closer to the real answer.
However human brains are naturally capable of performing fuzzy thinking which makes them more efficient than machine.
Surprisingly the same human beings who introduced fuzzy thinking in to machines with the help of complex algorithms started neglecting their ability to use that fuzzy logic in their day to day scenarios.
If something is not optimistism,it doesnt need to be pessimism either , b`coz there is something called pragmatism between optimism and pessimism.
regards...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : BullSheetRules
Hey Pradesh,
Do not worry Pradesh, Genuine LT investors who have done HOMEWORK will get enough TIME for BUYing! Market is not going to go UP in HURRY as those BIG PLAYers are not BUYIng BIG time still!
Margin of Safety for those Genuine LT Investors is still not PRESENT! As mentioned before, instead of catching the absolute BOTTOM, first see the exact bottom in order to make MONEY in peaceful, easy and simple manner!
Surprisingly, DOW went to RED so quickly. That 10200 is still far off! :) :)
Just WAIT and WATCH the GAME to unfold within 3 months!
Gud luk & happy investing! :)
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Sajiv Dhawan, JV Capital Services said, "Globally, things seem to be settling down but we are still not out of the woods yet. If the market breaks 3,400 this time, we will quite easily see the market slipping below 3,000.” While, Rahul Mohindar of viratechindia.com said 3,470 is an important Nifty level from a short-term angle....
Why Lehman Failed & others didn\\\\\\\\`t . P-II
Banking & Financial Services - Sector
Posted by : Sriman35Tracked by: 2 Boarders
Hi KK,
Kalidas ji is very correct. I didn`t dis-agree with him.
What I can`t understand (or dis-agree) is how come Rs.260 investment in 1961, which is worth Rs.13,000 in 2008 is good investment?
To know the real growth in that long period, just ask your Grand Pa. Howmuch land one can buy for Rs.260 in 1961 and what is the value of of the land now. (I am just saying about agriculture land, not those hi-fi real estate ones)
Regards,
Sri...
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Why Lehman Failed & others didn\\\\\\\\`t . P-II
Posted by : kdeep_kotak
Sirman
Q-Investing in gold is good alternate investment option when there is a CRISIS.
i feel Kalidas Ji is very right here too, jitna CRiSIS improve hogga utna Sonna chamkega..
its the specialty of Gold.. thats why GOLD is best for Conservative Investment
u can buy any currency anytime with Gold, but can`t buy Gold with with some currencies sometimes..
Example.. current scenario of Zimbabwe, 1990`s Russian Rubal, in 1948 with Indian Currency Karachi, or 1972 with Pakistan Currency in Dhakka
baki sabh maya hai mere yaar
KK
Punjab
Why Lehman Failed & others didn\\\\\\\\`t . P-II
Banking & Financial Services - Sector
Posted by : Sriman35Tracked by: 2 Boarders
Dear impatient,
Kalidas ji must be having some reason for saying it as 100% return for every year over 50 years. May be it is the feeling of having asset on hand where as holding a stock is just an entry in a peace of paper.
Let us wait for the reply, if there is any.
Thanks for your reply and rating (not that I give any importance to rating, but a comfortable feeling that I am not alone in voicing that opinion).
Regards,
Sri
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Why Lehman Failed & others didn\\\\\\\\`t . P-II
Posted by : impatient
Dear Sriman35
I saw your message just when I was going to post one myself exactly in line with your post and thats why I have rated your message. I was confused on seeing Kalidas jee`s commendaion on the merits of return from investment in gold (by his family in 1961) and his way of presenting the calculation on returns ... something I am not able to link to a mind of the stature of Kalidas jee.
There have been umpteen instances in history to prove that eminently brilliant people also some times fumble over very simple things. One such case is that of great Einstein (no reference reqd) when he got angry over the carpenter who had made only one hole in the door of his room for the movements of Einstein`s pet cat and its kitten (during night when the door is closed) whom Einstein had particularly asked to make two holes for the purpose. Einstein could not understand how both the cats could move through only one hole till the carpenter showed him how simple it was by passing the cats through the hole one after another.
May be Kalidas jee`s mind had lost the track of impartial wisdom due to momentary obsession with investment-in-gold.
Hope Kalidas jee will take it in a sportive mind as a healthy criticism. Or ... may be ... given his uncommon knowledge, wisdom, and analytical power he may also come out with some alternate analysis to prove that investment in gold is always better than fixed deposits.
Thanks & regards.
impatient
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Stakes higher than ever, says Brown
Gordon Brown warned fellow world leaders today that the stakes were "higher than ever before" as he called for agreement on reforms of the global financial system.
Ahead of a meeting of EU leaders in Brussels, the Prime Minister said co-ordinated action to improve liquidity was not enough for long-term stability.
Now governments around the world had to deliver reforms to restore confidence to the financial markets.
Speaking to the Foreign Press Association in London, Mr Brown said: "We need to show that we have dealt with the difficulties` cause in the first place, that we are making the reforms that are necessary so that the global financial system will work."
He added: "I believe the stakes are higher than ever before and the coming days will be crucial for the international community."
The premier dismissed the suggestion of one foreign reporter that he was now "flash Gordon" thanks to his response to the crisis.
"Just Gordon, just Gordon, I can assure you," he replied.
Asked about his more favourable coverage in the media recently, he said: "I think you should look at what they were saying about me four weeks ago."
At another point in the briefing, he added: "Politics, I have found, is about ups and downs, and you have got to treat adversity and periods of popularity with equal equanimity."
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The crisis: A timeline
Posted by : sambala
Stocks Surrender Early Gains
An early stock rally dried up on Tuesday despite new plans to bolster U.S. banks.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average, which soared more than 400 points after the opening bell, was recently off by 60 points, down 0.64%, at 9327.
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Shankar Sharma of First Global said poor IIP numbers and a sell-off in metals is the beginning of a sharp correction. "The markets have still not bottomed out. We don't see the Sensex rising beyond 12,500 in the current move and expect a further downisde in October. The Sensex could head back to 10,000 levels, and may even dip below that."...
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Infosys,hdil,vishal info,Sterlite,Rel Ind....
Why Lehman Failed & others didn\\\\\\\\`t . P-II
Banking & Financial Services - Sector
Posted by : kdeep_kotakTracked by: 2 Boarders
Sirman
Q-Investing in gold is good alternate investment option when there is a CRISIS.
i feel Kalidas Ji is very right here too, jitna CRiSIS improve hogga utna Sonna chamkega..
its the specialty of Gold.. thats why GOLD is best for Conservative Investment
u can buy any currency anytime with Gold, but can`t buy Gold with with some currencies sometimes..
Example.. current scenario of Zimbabwe, 1990`s Russian Rubal, in 1948 with Indian Currency Karachi, or 1972 with Pakistan Currency in Dhakka
baki sabh maya hai mere yaar
KK
Punjab
...
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Why Lehman Failed & others didn\\\\\\\\`t . P-II
Posted by : Sriman35
Kalidas ji,
-Q-
My family bought Gold in 1961 for Rs 260/tola which is now Rs 13000/tola, that is 50 times in 50 years or 100% gain every year on simple rate basis.
-UQ-
260 * 50 = 1300. Is this how you calculate the returns..!?
I am just curious. What could be the value Rs.260 now if invested in FD. (say Fixed deposit in SBI in 1961 and keep on renewing it till now)
Assuming the money will be doubled in 7 to 7.5 years (on an average at bank interest rate or in bonds) Rs.260 in 1961 is worth Rs.33280 now.
If you agree to the above, then you are sitting on 60% loss and claiming that as 100% returns each year over the past 50 years..!
My opinion is "Investing in gold is good alternate investment option when there is a CRISIS. but it is not a money spinner. One has to be short term player to earn any meaningfull returns in gold.
Excuse me if my calculations are not correct. Just started my journey in financial markets.
Regards,
Sri
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Absolutely not!In my opinion for another one week the volatality continues but on an average, the market will not loose more than 1000 points(sensex) for this week.But shortly,I say within 4 weeks, the market will touch 8.5K.,which I presume the low for this year!...
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Dear HLN,
Thanks for your reply. You mean bottom is Sensex 9000 (and not Nifty 9000 I suppose as you have written).
If nifty goes to 6000 in one year of bottoming out, that will be great news for all india investors.
However V shaped rallies never carried too far in the past and lead back again to violent corrections.
Saucer shaped slow bottom index formations are more solid for long term bull markets.
regards
wbuffett001
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : hindlevernet
Hi wbuffett,
Your views about dow and Nifty bottom are 100% right.
Dow may not fall below 7300 and Nifty may not fall
below 9000. These are very significant levels for both
indices.
However I differ from most analysts that bear market in
India will last 16-77 months.
Indian market will shoot like a rocket as never before.
You may see bottom for Nifty at about 2670-2800 range.
From here it will fly to 6000 within less than one year.
SURESH MITTAL
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