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Market Outlook - Short Term
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Well said and nice message indeed. Thanks....
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by :
novice1000
dear BSR,
Good you changed your stance finally when you said `Genuine LT investors who have done HOMEWORK will get enough TIME for BUYing! Market is not going to go UP in HURRY `.
You are 100% right.
This is what i have been telling people since July 2008.
Markets dont need to tell us before they go for another bull run.But the macro fundamentals will always give a very clear picture about the LT investment.
Modern management( read as American management) theories tought about optimism.
But forgot to teach the difference between pragmatism and pessimism.
It is the machines which use crisp logic for any kind of question.But in reality crisp logic fails.If i have to give an example..
q)Is it very hot?
ans)NO
That NO doesnt necessarily indicate `very cold`.
It might just mean any of the below
1)Moderate Hot
2)Neither hot nor cold.
3)Moderate cold.
4)very cold.
In this kind of situations, crisp logic fails.This finally lead fuzzy logic which implements better and intelligent algorithms so that the machine which runs on crisp logic arrives at a better and realistic conclusion which will be more closer to the real answer.
However human brains are naturally capable of performing fuzzy thinking which makes them more efficient than machine.
Surprisingly the same human beings who introduced fuzzy thinking in to machines with the help of complex algorithms started neglecting their ability to use that fuzzy logic in their day to day scenarios.
If something is not optimistism,it doesnt need to be pessimism either , b`coz there is something called pragmatism between optimism and pessimism.
regards 
dear BSR,
Good you changed your stance finally when you said `Genuine LT investors who have done HOMEWORK will get enough TIME for BUYing! Market is not going to go UP in HURRY `.
You are 100% right.
This is what i have been telling people since July 2008.
Markets dont need to tell us before they go for another bull run.But the macro fundamentals will always give a very clear picture about the LT investment.
Modern management( read as American management) theories tought about optimism.
But forgot to teach the difference between pragmatism and pessimism.
It is the machines which use crisp logic for any kind of question.But in reality crisp logic fails.If i have to give an example..
q)Is it very hot?
ans)NO
That NO doesnt necessarily indicate `very cold`.
It might just mean any of the below
1)Moderate Hot
2)Neither hot nor cold.
3)Moderate cold.
4)very cold.
In this kind of situations, crisp logic fails.This finally lead fuzzy logic which implements better and intelligent algorithms so that the machine which runs on crisp logic arrives at a better and realistic conclusion which will be more closer to the real answer.
However human brains are naturally capable of performing fuzzy thinking which makes them more efficient than machine.
Surprisingly the same human beings who introduced fuzzy thinking in to machines with the help of complex algorithms started neglecting their ability to use that fuzzy logic in their day to day scenarios.
If something is not optimistism,it doesnt need to be pessimism either , b`coz there is something called pragmatism between optimism and pessimism.
regards...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : BullSheetRules
Hey Pradesh,
Do not worry Pradesh, Genuine LT investors who have done HOMEWORK will get enough TIME for BUYing! Market is not going to go UP in HURRY as those BIG PLAYers are not BUYIng BIG time still!
Margin of Safety for those Genuine LT Investors is still not PRESENT! As mentioned before, instead of catching the absolute BOTTOM, first see the exact bottom in order to make MONEY in peaceful, easy and simple manner!
Surprisingly, DOW went to RED so quickly. That 10200 is still far off! :) :)
Just WAIT and WATCH the GAME to unfold within 3 months!
Gud luk & happy investing! :)
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Sajiv Dhawan, JV Capital Services said, "Globally, things seem to be settling down but we are still not out of the woods yet. If the market breaks 3,400 this time, we will quite easily see the market slipping below 3,000.” While, Rahul Mohindar of viratechindia.com said 3,470 is an important Nifty level from a short-term angle....
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Stakes higher than ever, says Brown
Gordon Brown warned fellow world leaders today that the stakes were "higher than ever before" as he called for agreement on reforms of the global financial system.
Ahead of a meeting of EU leaders in Brussels, the Prime Minister said co-ordinated action to improve liquidity was not enough for long-term stability.
Now governments around the world had to deliver reforms to restore confidence to the financial markets.
Speaking to the Foreign Press Association in London, Mr Brown said: "We need to show that we have dealt with the difficulties` cause in the first place, that we are making the reforms that are necessary so that the global financial system will work."
He added: "I believe the stakes are higher than ever before and the coming days will be crucial for the international community."
The premier dismissed the suggestion of one foreign reporter that he was now "flash Gordon" thanks to his response to the crisis.
"Just Gordon, just Gordon, I can assure you," he replied.
Asked about his more favourable coverage in the media recently, he said: "I think you should look at what they were saying about me four weeks ago."
At another point in the briefing, he added: "Politics, I have found, is about ups and downs, and you have got to treat adversity and periods of popularity with equal equanimity."
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The crisis: A timeline
Posted by : sambala
Stocks Surrender Early Gains
An early stock rally dried up on Tuesday despite new plans to bolster U.S. banks.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average, which soared more than 400 points after the opening bell, was recently off by 60 points, down 0.64%, at 9327.
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Shankar Sharma of First Global said poor IIP numbers and a sell-off in metals is the beginning of a sharp correction. "The markets have still not bottomed out. We don't see the Sensex rising beyond 12,500 in the current move and expect a further downisde in October. The Sensex could head back to 10,000 levels, and may even dip below that."...
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Absolutely not!In my opinion for another one week the volatality continues but on an average, the market will not loose more than 1000 points(sensex) for this week.But shortly,I say within 4 weeks, the market will touch 8.5K.,which I presume the low for this year!...
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Dear HLN,
Thanks for your reply. You mean bottom is Sensex 9000 (and not Nifty 9000 I suppose as you have written).
If nifty goes to 6000 in one year of bottoming out, that will be great news for all india investors.
However V shaped rallies never carried too far in the past and lead back again to violent corrections.
Saucer shaped slow bottom index formations are more solid for long term bull markets.
regards
wbuffett001
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : hindlevernet
Hi wbuffett,
Your views about dow and Nifty bottom are 100% right.
Dow may not fall below 7300 and Nifty may not fall
below 9000. These are very significant levels for both
indices.
However I differ from most analysts that bear market in
India will last 16-77 months.
Indian market will shoot like a rocket as never before.
You may see bottom for Nifty at about 2670-2800 range.
From here it will fly to 6000 within less than one year.
SURESH MITTAL
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Yes sp.palo!
There is still lot of steam left in this Rally!
Let us hope those BIG PLAYers continue with their BUYing spree and PLAY the GAME sensibily! :)
Gud luk & happy investing! :)...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : sp.palo
BSR, you know what !
Still my pessimism about markets for making a new and final low exists.
DOW made history yesterday doesn`t mean that everything is set right. Its like a dog or a cat covering his shit with sand. There are billions of bad debts and irrecoverable mortgages that will take years to settle.The scenario is so bad anything can happen.
Most importantly, we are not completely insulated as our FM says. Now the bears are temporarily acting as bulls for a massive short sell. This is a dirty game by BIG players as you have said many times.
But, we will hope for the best because of our greed.
regards
shakti
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Sebi's move to relax P-Note norms has helped Morgan Stanley P-Note holders to transfer their holdings. This may have been the prime reason for this relaxation so that P-Notes holders who were with Bear Sterns and Lehman Brothers and Morgan Stanley would want to go to safer havens and therefore this limit had to be removed?
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Dear marketbear,
Interesting comments from you!
I hope you and your team of analysts are doing a good job!
Remember the Dirty Game started on TataSteel and Ispat along with your team of analysts!
I hope you are having good time while checking prices for those different stocks in which Game was NOT played fairly!
What does you and your team of analysts say after looking at Nifty closing below 3600 level?
Gud luk & happy investing! :)...
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nifty must close above 3600
Posted by : marketbear
Nifty must close above 3600 to trigger short-covering rally ahead. Today probability is 50:50 for nifty to close above 3600 levels. Close above 3600 means next target of 3800 will be on cards in short term. Nifty can try to catch up 3950-4000 levels before F&O expiry this month. Market can become little bit shaky at the time of Diwali
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Analysts always have an excuse in the form of LT because they know after 10-15 years who is going to ask them what they are saying now.
Many stocks are at the prices which they were 5 years back or even lower. Its not about the term but about intelligent investing and timing the game properly.
regards
shakti...
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Buy now to reap rewards 24-30 months later: Angel Broking
Posted by :
PehlaNasha
Right! What a recommendation. Will Rajen pay from his pocket if the stocks do not appreciate even after 24 months.
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Stocks Surrender Early Gains
An early stock rally dried up on Tuesday despite new plans to bolster U.S. banks.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average, which soared more than 400 points after the opening bell, was recently off by 60 points, down 0.64%, at 9327.
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The crisis: A timeline
Posted by : sambala
The banks will stop paying dividends to shareholders until they are in a position to pay back the Government.
Barclays said it was not turning to the Government for emergency funding, announcing instead plans to raise more than £6.5bn from investors to help shore up its balance sheet.
The legislation being debated today was originally prompted by last year`s run on Northern Rock, now under state control, and makes it easier for the Bank of England to intervene when an institution gets into difficulty.
It will take time for our efforts to have their full impact, but the American people can have confidence about our long-term economic future.
US President George Bush
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BSR, you know what !
Still my pessimism about markets for making a new and final low exists.
DOW made history yesterday doesn`t mean that everything is set right. Its like a dog or a cat covering his shit with sand. There are billions of bad debts and irrecoverable mortgages that will take years to settle.The scenario is so bad anything can happen.
Most importantly, we are not completely insulated as our FM says. Now the bears are temporarily acting as bulls for a massive short sell. This is a dirty game by BIG players as you have said many times.
But, we will hope for the best because of our greed.
regards
shakti ...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : BullSheetRules
Dear sp.palo,
Let us hope for the BEST! Those BIG PLAYers continue to PLAY the GAME sensibly! :)
Gud luk & happy investing! :)
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Hey Pradesh,
Do not worry Pradesh, Genuine LT investors who have done HOMEWORK will get enough TIME for BUYing! Market is not going to go UP in HURRY as those BIG PLAYers are not BUYIng BIG time still!
Margin of Safety for those Genuine LT Investors is still not PRESENT! As mentioned before, instead of catching the absolute BOTTOM, first see the exact bottom in order to make MONEY in peaceful, easy and simple manner!
Surprisingly, DOW went to RED so quickly. That 10200 is still far off! :) :)
Just WAIT and WATCH the GAME to unfold within 3 months!
Gud luk & happy investing! :)...
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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000
Posted by : pradesh
Very true BSR
Scarcity of liquidity is the real issue.
I read on Rediff that RBI is pumping about Rs.20000 crores to help MFs who are facing redemption pressure. Thats pea nuts?
I was missing you through out the day. Perhaps you were watching the `dance` on DS (Ref Msg by Googol)
Regards !!
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The banks will stop paying dividends to shareholders until they are in a position to pay back the Government.
Barclays said it was not turning to the Government for emergency funding, announcing instead plans to raise more than £6.5bn from investors to help shore up its balance sheet.
The legislation being debated today was originally prompted by last year`s run on Northern Rock, now under state control, and makes it easier for the Bank of England to intervene when an institution gets into difficulty.
It will take time for our efforts to have their full impact, but the American people can have confidence about our long-term economic future.
US President George Bush
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The crisis: A timeline
Posted by : sambala
Stocks Stutter Despite Bail-Out
Shares in the US and the UK have lost much of their earlier gains as concerns over the state of the global economy overshadowed America`s banking bail-out plans.
President Bush has said the United States is taking aggressive and unprecedented steps to help America deal with the global financial crisis.
In a huge U-turn, the US Government will inject new capital into banks from the $700bn bail-out fund approved by US politicians earlier this month.
The US is trying to restore confidence in the banking system, after European governments boosted global stock markets by agreeing to similar measures to those in Britain.
Treasury Secretary Robert Paulson said $250bn would be used to buy shares in struggling banks, similar to plans announced by Britain and other European nations.
Mr Paulson said that nine large banks had agreed to the government equity stakes in exchange for new capital.
The Treasury Secretary also added that there would be a ban on any bonuses or "golden parachute" payments for executives at any bank that the Government has a stake in.
But the President was clear that the administration`s role would be limited and temporary, aimed at preserving the free market system.
London`s leading share index, the FTSE 100, was up more than 6% at lunchtime, but fell back despite Asian markets soaring on the back of global financial rescue plans for troubled banks.
Barclays was one of the biggest movers - up around 13%, but shares in Lloyds TSB and Halifax Bank of Scotland were among the biggest fallers, both down more than 5%, as investors continue to offload shares in the lenders at the centre of a controversial planned merger.
Japanese share prices soared, with Tokyo surging more than 14% - its biggest one-day gain to date - in the first day of trade after a holiday on Monday.
Both the Nikkei 225 stock average and the broader Topix index rose more than 14%, more than wiping out Friday`s slide, the worst one-day loss since the 1987 stock market crash.
Hong Kong`s Hang Seng index ended up 520.4 points, or 3.2% and Australian shares also rose strongly, leaping more than 5%.
Meanwhile, in Britain, new laws to help stop more banks going bust will be debated in the Commons as the Government continues trying to halt the worst effects of the credit crunch.
MPs will discuss the Treasury`s Banking Bill the day after a £37bn taxpayer lifeline was thrown to three of the UK`s biggest banks.
In what Gordon Brown called an "unprecedented but essential" agreement, the Government announced it would take "significant" stakes in Royal Bank of Scotland, Lloyds TSB and Britain`s biggest mortgage lender, Halifax Bank of Scotland.
The state investment involves tough conditions, including curbs on management bonuses and a pledge to ensure the availability and supply of lending to small businesses and homeowners.
The deal quickly claimed the UK`s first major scalps of the banking crisis with the chairmen and chief executives of RBS and HBOS announcing they would be standing down.
Under the plan, £5bn will be injected into Royal Bank of Scotland by the Treasury, with a £15bn share issue by the bank also guaranteed by the Government.
Lloyds TSB and its proposed new partner HBOS will receive up to £17bn of emergency funding, while the price Lloyds TSB is paying for its rival is also being lowered.
The Government could theoretically end up owning about 60% of RBS and 43% of the combined Lloyds TSB-HBOS entity, depending on how many other investors choose to buy the banks` new shares.
Privately ministers accept they will own "significant" stakes in the banks, helping to control remuneration and dividend policy until the investments are sold and appointing three directors to the RBS board and two to Lloyds TSB.
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